How does Europe solve the refugee problem?

How does Europe solve the refugee problem?
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Recently, in the eyes of many Europeans, the image of migrants is undergoing serious changes. Whereas before, they almost always evoked sympathy and a desire to help, and many EU citizens criticized their countries for not doing enough to alleviate the plight of migrants, but today, especially after the events in Calais, where several days in a row illegal immigrants stormed the barriers in hopes of getting in the UK, the mood began to change.
After all, it’s one thing – when people flee from countries with cruel regimes or from civil wars and other conflicts, fearing for their lives, and quite another – when the money of taxpayers, who are already living hard, should go on keeping the army of foreigners who decided to improve their conditions life at another’s expense.
An unprecedented influx of immigrants is already causing friction between the countries of the West themselves, who can not agree on quotas for receiving uninvited guests. Even Britain, with its traditional ethnic diversity, insists that it does not comply with the EU guidelines for the reception of refugees.
Is the West ready to solve the problem of mass immigration?
Leader of the program “The Fifth Floor” Leonid Luneev talking with an employee of the International Institute of Migration and Gender Issues Oksana Morgunova.
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LL: We started talking about migration today not by accident. The problem is not new, we know about the influx of migrants for a long time. The problem seems to be solved, but nevertheless in recent weeks, if not days, a real crisis has ripened. Indicative was the situation in Calais, where thousands of illegal immigrants stormed the Eurotunnel’s barriers in the hope of getting to the UK. About why it is Britain that is the promised land and the desired place where all migrants want to go, let’s talk later. The problem clearly takes place, immigrants are getting bigger. Or is it not, and in fact out of the fly, the elephant is inflated? Immigration as it was, so it is, just now it’s become more important to pay attention to it?
OM: I do not have numbers. I can not answer you during this program, how much migration has increased in recent times, especially illegal migration. It always lends itself to a rather complicated account. There is a further incandescence of the situation due to the fact that we live in a situation of humanitarian crisis, when what is happening now in Calais is just such an aftershock, a constant group of aftershocks, which is the result of what is happening in the areas of the Middle East and North Africa.
LL: We are used to the fact that humanitarian organizations work all over the world, in particular, in the same Africa, where they render all possible assistance to people there. Obviously, this help is not enough if people behind it are running here, or they run not so much for help, but as a hope for a better life? Is it possible for people to refuse the desire, the desire to live better? It’s unfair, is not it? But, on the other hand, Europe is also not rubber, others say.
OM: It is completely incomprehensible how to treat this phenomenon. There is a certain contradiction between the traditional European values of helping a person who is in trouble, and at the same time quite pragmatic considerations about what will happen next. We are not talking about the root cause, about where this huge movement of people comes from, who are not themselves ready to adapt and find work in some new countries. But they are just motivated by the desire to find a place where they will find peace. They are looking for well-being, but it’s natural. Look at who these people are. These are young families, young, first of all, men who are looking for some kind of shelter for their families, in order to provide them with some stable life in the near future. The way they do it is absolutely illegal. It is absolutely unacceptable both for the host countries and, in principle, for the migrants themselves, as they risk their lives, their health. This is a desperate situation.
LL: The way is illegal, but we all perfectly understand that it will not be possible to reach these people in any other way. They do not have the money to come to Europe, they will not get visas for them, and sometimes they can get it purely physically otherwise than on some floating crafts by sea, they simply can not. Once in Europe, they are again in a strange situation, because they have no rights, and no one is going to hurry with the rights. How to take them all? There should be some centers where each of them should be, roughly speaking, “shined” for who he is, where he came from and why, whether he has the right to apply for political asylum. And if not, what to do with it then, send it back? A lot of questions arise. How are they solved, from your point of view, effectively or not?
OM: The fact is that these issues need not be addressed where migrants try to storm barriers, moving from one country to another, and where migrants leave. Solve these problems only in the countries from which they travel. You say that you can not all come to Europe without restriction. The question is, why in Europe?
LL: And where else should they go? In America? But America is too far from Africa.
OM: Why not talk about the development of regional solidarity, about the investments of the same Europe in some areas that are poorly populated in these regions and where it would be possible to accommodate migrants not in camps, without allowing the radicalization that is currently taking place ? I would suggest that you talk a little bit later about the impact this flow of migrants has on the condition of those people who have recently moved to these countries and feel already deeply rooted there. This is a separate issue. Not permitting radicalization, without permitting a deterioration in the attitude towards migrants, it is necessary to create human conditions for those people who flee from a life’s danger, somewhere in a certain territory, which the states from which they leave can speak.
LL: These are very correct words. I am sure that many people think in the same framework. But the problem is that while and if these territories are found, mastered, how to convince people that they are better off living there while they know for sure that in Europe, if they can get and settle, they are expected to have a good life ? Moreover, already a lot of people got here. They also need to do something with them.
OM: What is happening now is not a conversation. Yes, the dialogue will take some time, but now there is a complete lack of this dialogue, attempts to do something in this respect, without turning Europe into a zone of action against migrants. The more often we talk about it, the more likely it is that those people who make political decisions will be more interested in considering this situation, and not simply reporting that they were not allowed or allowed to distribute such a thing among countries, then the number of migrants.
The consequences of the fact that the new EU countries will receive a large number of refugees from these countries is also a separate conversation that requires a system analysis. It’s no secret that in these countries there is no such tolerant attitude towards people of other races and blood, as in the established democracies of Europe today. We do not know what disturbances and how many human victims will result from the fact that new migrants will resettle in the same Hungary or Latvia, in Lithuania, which themselves have recently become an arena of fairly acute interethnic conflicts. Therefore, this certainly is not a solution. I would like to draw your attention to how difficult the situation today is for those people whom we commonly call migrants.
The word “migrant” causes a sharp negative reaction today. Migrants for us are refugees, people without shelter, without means, perhaps without education, which, it seems to us, will never find a place in what we call a “civilized society”. In fact, a much larger number of people are constantly moving from country to country, and they are also migrants. Somewhere they are already rooted, somewhere they are people who have a second citizenship. But at the same time, when we say “migrant”, we involuntarily imagine a person of another race. Many times I heard from people coming to London that there are only migrants in it. But these are not migrants. These are British citizens who simply have a different skin color, different eyes cut, etc.
LL: You are right, but in this case we are talking about that category of people who catch sight not because they are different in color or dressed differently, but about people who do not have any rights. We are talking, first of all, about illegal migrants, who by hook or by crook got.
OM: And let’s try today’s illegal migrants to discolor. Let’s imagine that these are not those who travel from North Africa and the Middle East.
LL: I can tell you at once what will happen. Not so long ago in London there was a mini-invasion of ethnic minorities from Romania, in particular, Roma, who are the same Europeans as we are with you. But at the same time, they were more likely to be classified as illegal migrants by the local society, although they legally crossed the border and had every right to remain here. The question is in their behavior and in what they do. If they arrange tent camps in parks and squares, burn bonfires, litter and beg through – this is one thing. If these people, regardless of their race, skin color, etc., work like everyone else, and are integrated, at least in this sense in society – to them and quite another attitude.
OM: Of course, first of all, we look at what a person does, how he lives, what his lifestyle is. But for us, the migrant is a man of a different race. And the fact that these are people who are now trying to move illegally from one country to another, also has a racial association, and not just an economic one, also undoubtedly.
LL: Yes, this does not help. Unfortunately, the time of our program is limited, and we can not discuss all aspects. If you sum up some results, from your point of view, what should be the first step that you would take to solve the problem of migrants?
OM: I believe that they should be heard. It is necessary to start a dialogue. There is a large crowd of people, each of which has its own history. It is necessary that there should be some groups, representatives of these groups with whom one could discuss things, and not behave like, in a sense, like colonizers who distribute one to the left and the other to the right.
LL: In general, do not fence off them with barbed wire, but try to start a dialogue and understand what to do.


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